Here are the 10 attached properties in Metro Vancouver (Vancouver West, Vancouver East, Burnaby, Richmond, North Vancouver and West Vancouver) that changed their price or were relisted under a new MLS number the previous week (actually December 29 to January 9) AND have dropped the largest percentage overall from their original asking price.
3 listings from Vancouver West and Vancouver East, 2 from Richmond and 1 from West Vancouver and Burnaby
#10 ) Address:# 3101 1028 BARCLAY ST, West End, Vancouver West

| June 08, 2011 |
V892749 |
$1,298,000 |
$0 |
0% |
| August 22, 2011 |
V892749 |
removed after 75 days |
| August 28, 2011 |
V907012 |
$1,188,000 |
$-110,000 |
-8% |
| September 30, 2011 |
V907012 |
removed after 33 days |
| October 18, 2012 |
V977068 |
$998,000 |
$-300,000 |
-23% |
| January 01, 2013 |
V977068 |
removed after 75 days |
| January 09, 2013 |
V983966 |
$998,000 |
$-300,000 |
-23% |
2012 Assessment: $1,080,000
2011 Assessment: $1,077,000
Bathroons? Equipt? Dont’? ”QUICK HURRY!”. They note that this rents for $3200/month. So, either rent this place for $3200/month or buy it with $100K down payment, about $20K in closing fees, $34K in commission when you sell it and pay $5,136 per month at 3% interest (Add another $1K/month if/when rates go back to 5%) plus pay for the maintenance and special assessments and, most likely, have it depreciate in value… Which sounds better?
Downtown most prestigious building “The Patina” by Concert Properties. Features unobstructed panoramic view of the city, spacious 1222 sq/ft 2 bedroom, 2 bath home. 5 star quality finishings, features smart geothermal air-con, 9′ ceilings porcelain tile floors, gourmet kitchen with high-end European appliances from Meile and Liebherr, spa inspired bathroons and radiant heating floors. Bonus: New installed hardwood floors! Includes amazing clubhouse, fully equipt fitness centre, rooftop garden, daycare center & 24 hour concierge. Dont’ forget shopping, theaters and restaurants right below and YMCA is next door with newly renovated pool. Currently rents $3200/mth Assess value $1,077,000 QUICK HURRY!
#9 ) Address:# 211 6688 ROYAL AV, Horseshoe Bay, West Vancouver

| July 16, 2008 |
V722535 |
$753,000 |
$0 |
0% |
| June 26, 2009 |
V722535 |
removed after 345 days |
| April 17, 2010 |
V823051 |
$595,000 |
$-158,000 |
-21% |
| November 01, 2010 |
V823051 |
removed after 198 days |
| July 13, 2011 |
V899328 |
$618,000 |
$-135,000 |
-18% |
| January 01, 2012 |
V899328 |
removed after 172 days |
| July 06, 2012 |
V960214 |
$598,000 |
$-155,000 |
-21% |
| January 01, 2013 |
V960214 |
$578,000 |
$-175,000 |
-23% |
2012 Assessment: $638,000
Gorgeous large very spacious 1 bedroom mountain view apartment in a new rain screened bldg (only 4 years old) Located in the heart of Horseshoe Bay.Gourmet chef’s kitchen with cherry cabinets, silestone countertops, Viking appls incl gas stove. Limestone floor tiles in entrances & baths, natural maple flooring in living & dining. Radiant floor heat & A/C thru-out. Spa-inspired baths, top-choice finishes. Secured parking and pets allowed.
#8 ) Address:# 223 8860 NO 1 RD, Boyd Park, Richmond

| February 15, 2008 |
V688944 |
$308,000 |
$0 |
0% |
| March 12, 2008 |
V688944 |
$328,000 |
$0 |
0% |
| April 16, 2008 |
V688944 |
$308,000 |
$-20,000 |
-6% |
| July 01, 2008 |
V688944 |
$298,000 |
$-30,000 |
-9% |
| July 31, 2008 |
V688944 |
removed after 167 days |
| January 05, 2013 |
V983504 |
$249,000 |
$-79,000 |
-24% |
2012 Assessment: $220,700
2011 Assessment: $269,500
This place was listed about 8% BELOW assessment… then the assessment dropped almost 20% and now it’s listed 13% ABOVE assessment. But don’t worry because it’s “ One of the better buys in Richmond today.”
APPLE GREENE. Very clean and nice 3-Bedroom CORNER UNIT with extra windows and extra light looking north & east. Very quiet. Close to shopping, schools and buses. Social Clubhouse & pool. Maintenance is deceiving as it includes hotwater heat and municipal utility bill (about $60 a month). One of the better buys in Richmond today.
#7 ) Address:# 2A 1403 BEACH AV, West End, Vancouver West

| April 11, 2009 |
V760959 |
$2,488,000 |
$0 |
0% |
| June 17, 2009 |
V760959 |
$2,350,000 |
$-138,000 |
-6% |
| September 01, 2009 |
V760959 |
removed after 143 days |
| October 04, 2009 |
V791281 |
$2,350,000 |
$-138,000 |
-6% |
| January 29, 2010 |
V791281 |
removed after 117 days |
| February 03, 2010 |
V807343 |
$2,350,000 |
$-138,000 |
-6% |
| April 22, 2010 |
V807343 |
$2,288,000 |
$-200,000 |
-8% |
| May 30, 2010 |
V807343 |
removed after 116 days |
| June 23, 2010 |
V838354 |
$2,195,000 |
$-293,000 |
-12% |
| December 15, 2010 |
V838354 |
removed after 175 days |
| January 09, 2011 |
V862501 |
$2,195,000 |
$-293,000 |
-12% |
| April 27, 2011 |
V862501 |
$2,090,000 |
$-398,000 |
-16% |
| July 07, 2011 |
V862501 |
removed after 179 days |
| July 23, 2011 |
V900067 |
$1,968,000 |
$-520,000 |
-21% |
| January 01, 2012 |
V900067 |
removed after 162 days |
| January 08, 2012 |
V924087 |
$1,888,000 |
$-600,000 |
-24% |
| January 01, 2013 |
V924087 |
removed after 359 days |
| January 05, 2013 |
V983625 |
$1,868,000 |
$-620,000 |
-25% |
2012 Assessment: $1,588,000
2011 Assessment: $1,611,000
Sold in September 2005 for $875,000
This place is 25% below the initial 2009 ask price and had $600K in renovations although it isn’t clear when those happened. It’s also been listed basically non stop for almost 4 years
Rare find WATERFRONT location, directly across from English Bay, Sunset Beach and Vanier Park. Complete renovated (cost $600,000) over the year. Bright SE corner unit offering spectacular water views, open floor plan with dramatic floor-to-ceiling curved windows, beautiful hardwood floors, gorgeous feature fireplace & designer lighting, new stainless steel appliances. Total 1815 sf of living on one spacious level. Wonderful building only has 2 units per floor. 2 security under building parking stalls, one locker. Steps to the restaurants and shops and only minutes to the city centre. Must see!
#6 ) Address:# 703 528 BEATTY ST, Downtown, Vancouver West

| July 07, 2012 |
V960591 |
$559,000 |
$0 |
0% |
| October 18, 2012 |
V960591 |
removed after 103 days |
| October 21, 2012 |
V977496 |
$482,500 |
$-76,500 |
-14% |
| November 09, 2012 |
V977496 |
$459,000 |
$-100,000 |
-18% |
| November 21, 2012 |
V977496 |
$439,000 |
$-120,000 |
-21% |
| December 10, 2012 |
V977496 |
$429,000 |
$-130,000 |
-23% |
| January 05, 2013 |
V977496 |
$419,000 |
$-140,000 |
-25% |
2012 Assessment: $474,000
2011 Assessment: $474,000
Heritage loft conversion. Original Bowman Block was constructed in 1906 and converted to the current use in 2007 by the Salient Group. In 2007, the Bowman Block was honoured with an Award of Excellence for Revitalization, Renovation or Heritage. With original fir floors, exposed brick and massive beams, this is a rare commodity in Western Canada. The modern intervention features interior design by Alda Pereira and architecture by Gair Williamson. New construction atop the original building includes an urban oasis with an outdoor fireplace and built-in barbecue. A very short walk to Chambar, Medina, SkyTrain, and Rogers Arena. Parking available across street (Car2go) or Reserved EasyPark $145/$215mn. OPEN SAT DEC 8TH 1-230PM
#5 ) Address:# 111 2528 E BROADWAY, Renfrew, Vancouver East

| April 15, 2011 |
V882496 |
$279,000 |
$0 |
0% |
| December 13, 2011 |
V882496 |
removed after 242 days |
| June 27, 2012 |
V958723 |
$245,000 |
$-34,000 |
-12% |
| September 25, 2012 |
V958723 |
$234,999 |
$-44,001 |
-16% |
| December 20, 2012 |
V958723 |
removed after 176 days |
| January 04, 2013 |
V983070 |
$199,900 |
$-79,100 |
-28% |
2012 Assessment: $209,000
2011 Assessment: $209,700
“This unit is very private and quiet.” ”PLEASE NOTE : THIS UNIT IS A NOT A GROUND FLOOR UNIT AND A VERY QUIET”. ”VERY QUIET !!”. I have a question, is the apartment quiet? It’s not clear… At least the price rent is a little more reasonable than some of the other “investor” examples.
This almost 950 sq. foot spacious and bright 2 bedroom corner condo unit comes complete with 2 baths and a very open floor plan. This unit is very private and quiet and on the backside of the Building facing 10th Avenue not Broadway. The condo SPARKLES and currently IS rented for $1300/mo.+util. Tenant would like to stay. This condominium comes with one parking (#96), one locker (#163 in storage rm#100 and pets are allowed with restrictions (2 pets ok, max 35 lbs each). PLEASE NOTE : THIS UNIT IS A NOT A GROUND FLOOR UNIT AND A VERY QUIET BACK UNIT OVERLOOKING POOL AREA !! VERY QUIET !!Rentals allowed (min 6 months rental). SHOWINGS CAN ONLY BE AT 7:00 PM ON MONDAYS AND THURSDAYS!!
#4) Address:# 204 3709 PENDER ST, Willingdon Heights, Burnaby

| June 07, 2007 |
V651291 |
$249,900 |
$0 |
0% |
| July 18, 2007 |
V651291 |
removed after 41 days |
| April 15, 2011 |
V882386 |
$300,000 |
$0 |
0% |
| June 28, 2011 |
V882386 |
$298,000 |
$-2,000 |
-1% |
| August 31, 2011 |
V882386 |
removed after 138 days |
| January 06, 2012 |
V923629 |
$298,000 |
$-2,000 |
-1% |
| January 27, 2012 |
V923629 |
$297,500 |
$-2,500 |
-1% |
| February 28, 2012 |
V923629 |
$297,000 |
$-3,000 |
-1% |
| March 06, 2012 |
V923629 |
$295,000 |
$-5,000 |
-2% |
| March 20, 2012 |
V923629 |
$289,000 |
$-11,000 |
-4% |
| April 26, 2012 |
V923629 |
removed after 111 days |
| April 30, 2012 |
V946500 |
$275,800 |
$-24,200 |
-8% |
| May 09, 2012 |
V946500 |
removed after 9 days |
| June 29, 2012 |
V959304 |
$275,800 |
$-24,200 |
-8% |
| November 08, 2012 |
V959304 |
removed after 132 days |
| November 09, 2012 |
V979685 |
$242,900 |
$-57,100 |
-19% |
| November 22, 2012 |
V979685 |
$234,900 |
$-65,100 |
-22% |
| December 13, 2012 |
V979685 |
$224,900 |
$-75,100 |
-25% |
| January 03, 2013 |
V979685 |
$214,900 |
$-85,100 |
-28% |
2012 Assessment: $297,000
It has been “Exceptionally well priced” in the description since November 9th. That was 12% ago, shouldn’t it be “EXCEPTIONALLY WELL PRICED” by now? No capitalized words at all, don’t you want to sell this place! This apartment is now over 25% BELOW assessment.
Exceptionally well priced 1 bedroom townhouse. Recently rainscreened building. Upgraded windows and decks as well. Underground secured parking….1 parking space and 1 storage locker. Gas fireplace. Insuite laundry. Lots of natural light inside this townhouse. Walk to Hastings bus service. Great location for certain. Easy to view. Pet friendly building: 2 cats or 2 dogs permitted.
#3 ) Address:# 209 2336 WALL ST, Hastings, Vancouver East

| September 08, 2012 |
V970352 |
$312,000 |
$0 |
0% |
| September 28, 2012 |
V970352 |
$284,500 |
$-27,500 |
-9% |
| November 10, 2012 |
V970352 |
$239,900 |
$-72,100 |
-23% |
| November 28, 2012 |
V970352 |
$235,000 |
$-77,000 |
-25% |
| December 21, 2012 |
V970352 |
removed after 104 days |
| January 01, 2013 |
V983214 |
$219,900 |
$-92,100 |
-30% |
2012 Assessment: $305,000
2011 Assessment: $300,900
What a slap in the face – they are having no luck selling this place even for $219K and yet BC Assessment tells them their place has gone up in value to $305K… 30% in price drops in under 4 months
Live on WALL Street, a secret oasis on the East side. Friendly neighbours, amazing harbour views, beautiful sunsets. WALL st is one of the nicest streets in the City. Close to North Shore, D/T, shopping, schools, parks, and an outdoor pool. You are 5-10 mins to the city, yet it feels like you are in the quiet suburbs! This ground level home offers a huge 636 sf sunny, peaceful, private & secure patio area to enjoy the outdoors or a BBQ with friends, plus a great place for a pet as this building is pet friendly. This home has been well cared for by long term owners. Building is in good shape w updated pipes and roof and no upcoming assessments. Includes prkg, locker & bike room. Bldg under rental limit.
#2 ) Address:# 212 14200 RIVERPORT WY, East Richmond, Richmond

| October 06, 2006 |
V506364 |
$469,900 |
$0 |
0% |
| October 23, 2006 |
V506364 |
removed after 17 days |
| March 03, 2012 |
V934864 |
$498,500 |
$0 |
0% |
| April 12, 2012 |
V934864 |
removed after 40 days |
| April 14, 2012 |
V943239 |
$459,900 |
$-38,600 |
-8% |
| April 28, 2012 |
V943239 |
$449,900 |
$-48,600 |
-10% |
| May 11, 2012 |
V943239 |
$435,000 |
$-63,500 |
-13% |
| June 09, 2012 |
V943239 |
$424,500 |
$-74,000 |
-15% |
| June 19, 2012 |
V943239 |
$415,000 |
$-83,500 |
-17% |
| July 10, 2012 |
V943239 |
$399,900 |
$-98,600 |
-20% |
| July 28, 2012 |
V943239 |
$389,900 |
$-108,600 |
-22% |
| September 05, 2012 |
V943239 |
$372,500 |
$-126,000 |
-25% |
| October 11, 2012 |
V943239 |
$362,900 |
$-135,600 |
-27% |
| November 09, 2012 |
V943239 |
$352,500 |
$-146,000 |
-29% |
| December 29, 2012 |
V943239 |
$339,000 |
$-159,500 |
-32% |
2012 Assessment: $399,000
2011 Assessment: $432,000
HAVE TO LOVE ALL CAPS!!! You have to assume that they bought this place in 2006 for around $470K based on the listing history. They are now trying to sell it for almost 30% below that
SPECTACULAR RIVER VIEWS FROM YOUR SOUTH FACING BALCONY. THIS 2 BED/ 2 BATH WATERFRONT CONDO IS LARGE, OVER 1100 SQ. FT. WITH A BONUS DEN, LOCKER, IN SUITE LAUNDRY AND STORAGE ROOM.
#1 ) Address:# 512 3455 ASCOT PL, Collingwood, Vancouver East

| February 23, 2011 |
V870937 |
$350,000 |
$0 |
0% |
| March 02, 2011 |
V870937 |
$260,000 |
$-90,000 |
-26% |
| January 01, 2012 |
V870937 |
removed after 312 days |
| October 15, 2012 |
V976737 |
$239,800 |
$-110,200 |
-31% |
| January 09, 2013 |
V976737 |
$235,800 |
$-114,200 |
-33% |
2012 Assessment: $198,800
2011 Assessment: $200,600
They listed this place initially at 75% over assessment and probably wonder why they haven’t sold the place. ”Meas from strata plan” – what’s a Meas?
East facing, Well kept unit. Bright and clean 1 bdrm & 1 full bath. 2011 Newly changed flooring for living room, dining room & bedroom. Parking stall #131, storage locker #148. Shared laundry. Super convenient location. Steps to bus & Joyce sky-train station. Meas from strata plan, not including, 75 sf balcony. Wheelchair access. Great for investors!
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#10 — Bathroons? Equipt? Dont’? Yeah, it’s just spelling, but I continue to be amazed by the semi-literacy that seems to go into marketing so many “million-dollar” properties.
Thanks, missed those!
BATHROONS! I’m going to burst!
Many Realtors are skipping their ESL classes.
Naaahhh, their language skills are so poor they have to work in real estate :^)
While we’re at it, can you believe all those assessments actually going UP? Pathetic.
Don’t forget that assessment data measures the changes from July 1, 2011 to July 1, 2012 and most regions had risen during that period. There is almost no chance that next years assessment won’t see huge drops across the board because we’ve already had 6 months of fairly steep drops
Re #5: This seems to be the only decently-priced unit on the list, yet this building has undergone several major repairs in the last decade. I used to live in this area, and the building was under drapes multiple times. Looks very shitty from the outside, do not reflect the relatively young age of the building.
haha #1. I live in that building. Meas is probably measurements. I’ve been renting the best apartment in that building for 13 years. It’s assessed this year at $319k. My rent/buy calculations show that I’m basically at a wash in costs over 13 years based on their assessment appreciation and my $145k in rental payments. It’s been fun not having to care about going to strata meetings, not worrying about the envelope of the building which needs $1 million in repairs (coming). Not worrying about the apparently always increasing strata fees. Not worrying about the costs of the constant flooding accidents with water streaming out of people’s windows on the lower floors. The most annoying part is the water being shut off for a day-at-a-time every other week for the last 2 years as they are constantly patching the pipes.
Yeah, I know Meas = Measurements but it’s just such a bad, needless abbreviation!
Seriously? Water coming out the WINDOWS? Awesome.
I walk past this place regularly so it’s nice to hear the views of an insider Ray! I have often wondered if it needs more money ploughed into it, and what the cost would be if so. So that million is divided between how many owners?
I also rent – a really nice two bed basement up Joyce northerly, and enjoy all the benefits of renting below a lovely old couple that are always bringing me dinner down! It’s lovely too!
Wish your neighbours well with that Mill. Hopefully the strata has meas their apartments correctly so they contribute their fair share!
495 square feet in a building that needs that much spending on it, and you are trying to get 350 thou for it!!!!
(In my thickest English accent) “YOU MUST BE BLOODY JOKING!?!?!”
Meas is “respect” in ancient Gallic. Just putting that out there. Perhaps they mean the strata officially respects the fact this condo exists?
Nice work, and very interesting as usual.
Suggestion for a future special edition: Collect any previous sales data you can glean or have provided for you, especially that from ’05, ’06, ’07, and put together a biggest loss list based on real selling prices, not delusional asking prices.
I find a 15% drop from double assessed highly amusing, I find a drop from a five year old real price jaw-dropping when there is such a concerted effort by vested interests and compliant media to convince us otherwise!
Don’t get me wrong, I love your work and the delusional asking prices are very significant as a testament to bubble thinking among the soon-to-be-deprogammed “true believers”. But a valuable deprogramming tool is actual proof of a property with nothing wrong with selling for less.
Unfortunately I don’t have previous sales data in most cases. If they sold the property in 2012 (and in some cases for 2011) or if it is a downtown apartment then I probably have the info but otherwise am in the dark. I wish I could see that but apparently previous sales data is the real estate industries version of the Caramilk secret
I toured #7 before it sold in 2005 and took a pass. The unit was OK but the building was not being properly maintained. They cannot possibly have spent $600,000 on renovations. I see new flooring, a new kitchen and perhaps an updated bathroom, some new lighting and paint. That simply doesn’t add up to $600,000 unless you had your brother-in-law do the renovation and he charged you twice and you didn’t notice it. I have done a lot of professional high-end renovating over the years and $600,000 ($331 psf) will buy you a lot of brand new house!
An Observer: this site is my favorite of all the ‘price drop’ sites and blogs. It offers real-world detailed examples of what is going on in the marketplace, even if we are only seeing the price drops and not the list/sell data. Thanks for all your hard work.
There are more ‘price drop’ sites? And you *are* seeing the list data. I think you are a tad confused.
The numbers people quote for renovations seem to be 3-4x higher than they could possibly be and likely 10x what they actually were
Confused, but why is #8 even on the list? It is a brand new listing (the price from a listing 5 years ago shouldnlt count)
I find it more interesting and relevant to include previous data – in most cases the peak price wouldn’t be from 5 year ago. The fact that it is says something!
I agree that previous data is relevant, but this is supposed to be list of price drops, and there haven’t been any here yet.
Of course there was a drop! The place was listed at a higher price and either it sold or it didn’t sell. Regardless, someone – either the new owner or the original owner – thought it was worth much more in the past than it is now. That’s most definitely a situation that I want to highlight on this site.
#1) While “non exempted” strata corps scramble to get their depreciation reports completed by year’s end, I tend to think that many condos/townhomes of this vintage will do nothing but sit. I don’t know, maybe I have my head stuck in the clouds? The vast majority of strata corps may simply opt to pass the 75% resolution and sweep everything under the rug instead? In a struggling market, this will not do the trick, however, as buyers will naturally view this as a red flag.
#2) I could never figure out why some people thought Riverport would become the new “Steveston”. Ideally located near the most congested intersection in all of the lower mainland and only a few minutes drive (downwind) to both the Ecowaste landfill and Harvest Power composting plant. What’s not to like?
#3) Umm, this parking lot disguised at a patio is far from being “private”. Huge, yes.
#4) Who are they kidding? This is basically situated at the corner Boundary and Hastings. Well, at least this has been rainscreened and the view of a million cars zooming by can be enjoyed on the “upgraded” deck. Those photos are just a little too perfect for my liking.
#5) This will be a little less “sparkly” with a massive plastic tarp covering it. (See #1)
#6) Exposed brick and beams is so Y2K, don’t you think?
#7) $600k worth of renos? Doubtful. If true, why? Something tells me that no one (in their right mind) will look at this until a detailed depreciation report is made available. Pure speculation on my part, but I bet you this bldg has major “issues”. Caveat emptor… (again, see #1)
#8) Ok, so for $407/mo heat and util are included (phew…). BTW, if you face NE, you get no light. Rmd is littered with old teardown bldgs like this.
#9) Seems ridiculously over priced to me for a 1 BR. What’s the point in having all the full size commercial Viking range if you have no counter space? Just sayin’…
#10) This is over equipped and overpriced for such an address. Hopefully they’ve hired a good reliable property mgmt co. to keep an eye on the kiddies as they party 24/7.
Bullwhip, I havn’t kept abreast of the new strata regulations, what is this 75% resolution about?
On another note, I just heard that one of the townhouse complexes in Squamish is not CMHC insurable because of construction issues. People wanting to purchase there have to come up with 25% down. Talk about a massive flashing red light!
Some strata councils that are smaller than five units or that vote annually with a ¾ majority support may be able to exempt themselves from filing the reports.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/11/14/bc-strata-depreciation-reports.html
Thanks Mike.
If it helps, here is a little more info on the subject
http://www.housing.gov.bc.ca/pub/stratapdf/Guide12_Depreciation%20Reports.pdf
Bonus: New installed hardwood floors
When I sell my place, I am going to leave out the installed, and just write New Hardwood Floors. I will leave the hardwood flooring in boxes that the buyer can trip over when viewing my place.